Sticky rings in a Flat 4 engine
Posted: 01 April 2008 06:28 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Having recently bought a vintage vw...a ‘58 Karmann Ghia...I’m in the process of checking out the condition of the Flat 4 engine.

Having carried out a compression test, cylinders 1, 2 and 3 all come out well with readings of 125-130psi. However cylinder #4 reads 100psi which is outside the usual accepted 10% tolerance. This, it seems likely is due to sticky rings.

The question is; what would be the best way to tackle this. A friend has suggested removing the spark plug and add a couple of table spoonful of Marvel to #4 and leaving it for a couple of days. The only trouble with this, as I see it is that the VW engine is a horizontal engine and just the bottom of the rings would be immersed leaving the top of the cylinder dry.

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Posted: 01 April 2008 08:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Sounds like the enine is operable, so drain 1-quart of oil out of the crankcase and replace it with 1-quart of Marvel Mystery Oil.  Run the engine for 20 - 30 minutes to circulate the oil and get it up to temperature.  Do this for a couple of days, and you should see improvement in compression as the sticky ring is starting to be cleaned.

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Posted: 02 April 2008 07:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Thanks Rich,

I’ll do that and report back.

John.

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Posted: 21 April 2008 01:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I ran the engine for a week with a Quart of Marvel in the crankcase. In an aircooled VW incidentally a quart is too much for normal use as the crankcase capacity is only 5 pints...a pint is more like it.

After a week I pulled the plugs and did another compression test but sadly the readings were the same...still down on cylinder #4. With the engine out and the heads off it’s now apparent sticky rings weren’t the culprit but worn bores and valve guides. No amount of MMO would have made a difference in this case but I think it’s still worth trying...it might well help others avoid having to tear down the engine.

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Posted: 21 April 2008 02:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Sorry about recommending the quart of Marvel Mystery Oil.  Our normal recommendation is to repalce 10 t0 25 % of your crankcase oil with Marvel Mystery Oil.  With a 5-pint crankcase, you are correct that 1-pint of Marvel should be used (20%).  I was just assuming a 4 or 5 quart system.

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Posted: 22 April 2008 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Not to worry Rich. I realised after I’d poured the MMO in but as I was going to be driving the car for 30 minutes a day for 5 days at the most I thought it wouldn’t do any harm.

I kept a watch on the oil pressure light, (no luxuries such as a pressure gauge on a vintage VW) and it only came on at idle when fully warmed up.

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Posted: 04 May 2008 08:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I don’t know if it’s possible to use a leak down tester on your engine but I used it to verify the rings were leaking on my #3 Cyl Toyota 22re Engine. You just hook it up and listen to the crank case for escaping air for a ring problem. I put a couple tablespoons of MMO in it through the spark plug hole and have been letting it soak. I hope it helps.

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